No variation in tunnel arrangements?

Twiznak

Hello everyone! I love everything about SOGPF. I really do. So much so that I feel I need to voice my confusion about there being no variation in the 6 tunnel systems. Right of the bat I need to let you know that they are magnificent and the most clever use of map space that I have seen. But why are they all the same layout? With six tunnel areas I feel that the space is being underutilized by repeating the same layout. I would love to know more and have an open discussion about it. Because what you have done here is amazing. Thank you!

Barden

Twiznak wrote:
Hello everyone! I love everything about SOGPF. I really do. So much so that I feel I need to voice my confusion about there being no variation in the 6 tunnel systems. Right of the bat I need to let you know that they are magnificent and the most clever use of map space that I have seen. But why are they all the same layout? With six tunnel areas I feel that the space is being underutilized by repeating the same layout. I would love to know more and have an open discussion about it. Because what you have done here is amazing. Thank you!

Hey! I'm glad you enjoy the tunnels but I am admittedly confused by your comment about there being no variation. If you visit all 6 tunnel systems that are placed on the Cam Lao Nam terrain you can see there is differences in the furniture and structure, and by using the editor tool you can see the variation exists within the tunnel terrain objects that users can use to create their own tunnel system. Some tunnels share furniture areas due to the necessary need to fill spaces with similar content but if you visit all rooms in all variations of each tunnel object you will see rooms are mixed and matched with each other. Again I appreciate the kind comments as myself and nzdfcrash did a fair amount of work on the furniture inside the tunnels and jack did an amazing job creating them so it's been a blast seeing how people are blown away by the success of this feature.

Twiznak

Barden wrote:
Hey! I'm glad you enjoy the tunnels but I am admittedly confused by your comment about there being no variation. If you visit all 6 tunnel systems that are placed on the Cam Lao Nam terrain you can see there is differences in the furniture and structure, and by using the editor tool you can see the variation exists within the tunnel terrain objects that users can use to create their own tunnel system. Some tunnels share furniture areas due to the necessary need to fill spaces with similar content but if you visit all rooms in all variations of each tunnel object you will see rooms are mixed and matched with each other. Again I appreciate the kind comments as myself and nzdfcrash did a fair amount of work on the furniture inside the tunnels and jack did an amazing job creating them so it's been a blast seeing how people are blown away by the success of this feature.

Hello sir! thank you for replying. I'm sorry for the confusion, I would like to clarify. The variation I was talking about , is in the pathways that players take to reach different rooms and different levels. I took screenshots of all 6 tunnel systems for comparison and it appears that all systems have the same connecting corridors to the same rooms in the same positions. I consider the systems to be 3D mazes. Wonderfully done, but once you have solved one tunnel maze system, you have solved all the other tunnel maze systems as well. I only started this discussion to put forth the idea that each tunnel system should be it's own maze. With a different solution for each. I would like to share my screenshots with you. I know I must be missing something. Please understand that I am not hating on your work in anyway. I love it!
note: I tried to get the camera in the same position for each shot, but because some pits are different sizes they all don't line up perfectly with one another, but you can still see the overall layout of each tunnel:

...and screenshot six can't be uploaded because I can only upload 5 pictures per post😎

Barden

Twiznak wrote:
Hello sir! thank you for replying. I'm sorry for the confusion, I would like to clarify.

Yes that is correct. The variation lies in the room layouts and not the model itself. This is due to what was needing to get done to reach minimal viable product before we wanted to release. It's something we cannot comment on if we want to change in future as we don't want to lead to any broken promises but an undertaking of this size to create whole new tunnel models would take a considerable time to complete. One thing mission makers are able to do is use the blockages also in the Editor to create their own sectioned off portions, when teleporting players inside. This way you can customise what is already there further by limiting other pathways around. Again glad you like the tunnels I am keen to see what people do to modify and mix and match their own systems within their own maps!

Twiznak

Barden wrote:
Yes that is correct. The variation lies in the room layouts and not the model itself. This is due to what was needing to get done to reach minimal viable product before we wanted to release. It's something we cannot comment on if we want to change in future as we don't want to lead to any broken promises but an undertaking of this size to create whole new tunnel models would take a considerable time to complete. One thing mission makers are able to do is use the blockages also in the Editor to create their own sectioned off portions, when teleporting players inside. This way you can customise what is already there further by limiting other pathways around. Again glad you like the tunnels I am keen to see what people do to modify and mix and match their own systems within their own maps!

You're awesome man. I understand you can't be specific and I get what you are saying. You can't rush perfect, especially when what we have now is freaking awesome. Thank you for making great stuff and for taking the time to reply.

Nolly

Has the phasing of enemy through the walls been captured as a bug?

I was just taking a look to build a mission, but after getting nailed by an AI who whoots me through the wall, or appears out of a tunnell end at random, i decided it wasnt worth it for now. Which is a shame as i love the feeling and ambiance of them.

Whenever you go into spectator mode, you can see a random portion of the AI are running around outside the tunnel network. Whether they spawned there, or phased there i dont know - but i can definately say i have experienced them phasing into the tunnels through the ends, and clipping inwards through the walls.

Barden

Nolly wrote:
Has the phasing of enemy through the walls been captured as a bug?

No but please put all details and steps to reproduce into a bug report on our feedback tracker:
https://community.sogpf.com/threads/44-Bug-reporting

Striker0192

Nolly wrote:
Has the phasing of enemy through the walls been captured as a bug?

I was just taking a look to build a mission, but after getting nailed by an AI who whoots me through the wall, or appears out of a tunnell end at random, i decided it wasnt worth it for now. Which is a shame as i love the feeling and ambiance of them.

Whenever you go into spectator mode, you can see a random portion of the AI are running around outside the tunnel network. Whether they spawned there, or phased there i dont know - but i can definately say i have experienced them phasing into the tunnels through the ends, and clipping inwards through the walls.

I think thats more of a ArmA 3 bug than SOG, happens with Hesco's, Sandbags etc etc. Same thing with A2 and OA aswell IIRC.

Nolly

Striker0192 wrote:
I think thats more of a ArmA 3 bug than SOG, happens with Hesco's, Sandbags etc etc. Same thing with A2 and OA aswell IIRC.

I never came back on this. Before I put a ticket in, I tried with no mods.

I believe it was caused by Lambs. My understanding is that the tunnels aren't designed to have AI running around in them, so those in there have movement disabled.

Good to see it's being dealt with in the new patch. ( at least mitigated in that AI will die outside the tunnels.)